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	In the United States, the film was denied a [[MPAA]] seal of approval due to a scene between Oliver Reed and [[Carol White]] which supposedly implied [[cunnilingus]].<ref name="winner">{{cite book \|last=Winner \|first=Michael \|url=https://books.google.com/books?id=0rC_CAAAQBAJ&q=%22I%27ll+Never+Forget+What%27s%27isname%22&pg=PT129 \|title=Michael Winner: Winner Takes All: A Life of Sorts \|date=2013 \|publisher=Pavilion Books \|isbn=978-1-909396-21-0}}</ref> Winner, in his audio commentary, said he considered the scene to show masturbation. The [[Catholic League (U.S.)\|Catholic League]] inaccurately described it as "[[fellatio]]". [[Universal Studios\|Universal]] distributed the film through Regional Film Distributors, a subsidiary that was not a member of the MPAA. Along with a similar scene in ''[[Charlie Bubbles]]'' (1967), this helped to bring about the end of the [[Production Code]] in the U.S. and its replacement with a [[MPAA film rating system\|ratings system]].		In the United States, the film was denied a [[MPAA]] seal of approval due to a scene between Oliver Reed and [[Carol White]] which supposedly implied [[cunnilingus]].<ref name="winner">{{cite book \|last=Winner \|first=Michael \|url=https://books.google.com/books?id=0rC_CAAAQBAJ&q=%22I%27ll+Never+Forget+What%27s%27isname%22&pg=PT129 \|title=Michael Winner: Winner Takes All: A Life of Sorts \|date=2013 \|publisher=Pavilion Books \|isbn=978-1-909396-21-0}}</ref> Winner, in his audio commentary, said he considered the scene to show masturbation. The [[Catholic League (U.S.)\|Catholic League]] inaccurately described it as "[[fellatio]]". [[Universal Studios\|Universal]] distributed the film through Regional Film Distributors, a subsidiary that was not a member of the MPAA. Along with a similar scene in ''[[Charlie Bubbles]]'' (1967), this helped to bring about the end of the [[Production Code]] in the U.S. and its replacement with a [[MPAA film rating system\|ratings system]].

	The film has been incorrectly named as the first mainstream film to propose the use in the dialogue of "fuck". In fact, the BBFC certified the film after demanding the removal, or at least obscuring, of the word fucking (via the sound of a car horn) in June 1967, three months later than ''[[Ulysses (1967 film)\|Ulysses]]'' (1967), which suffered heavier cuts. The error seems to have arisen because of a longstanding lack of easily obtainable film release date information.		The film has been incorrectly named as the first mainstream film to propose the use in the dialogue of "[[fuck]]". In fact, the BBFC certified the film after demanding the removal, or at least obscuring, of the word fucking (via the sound of a car horn) in June 1967, three months later than ''[[Ulysses (1967 film)\|Ulysses]]'' (1967), which suffered heavier cuts. The error seems to have arisen because of a longstanding lack of easily obtainable film release date information.

	== References ==		== References ==

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	In the United States, the film was denied a [[MPAA]] seal of approval due to a scene between Oliver Reed and [[Carol White]] which supposedly implied [[cunnilingus]].<ref name="winner">{{cite book \|last=Winner \|first=Michael \|url=https://books.google.com/books?id=0rC_CAAAQBAJ&q=%22I%27ll+Never+Forget+What%27s%27isname%22&pg=PT129 \|title=Michael Winner: Winner Takes All: A Life of Sorts \|date=2013 \|publisher=Pavilion Books \|isbn=978-1-909396-21-0}}</ref> Winner, in his audio commentary, said he considered the scene to show masturbation. The [[Catholic League (U.S.)\|Catholic League]] inaccurately described it as "fellatio". [[Universal Studios\|Universal]] distributed the film through Regional Film Distributors, a subsidiary that was not a member of the MPAA. Along with a similar scene in ''[[Charlie Bubbles]]'' (1967), this helped to bring about the end of the [[Production Code]] in the U.S. and its replacement with a [[MPAA film rating system\|ratings system]].		In the United States, the film was denied a [[MPAA]] seal of approval due to a scene between Oliver Reed and [[Carol White]] which supposedly implied [[cunnilingus]].<ref name="winner">{{cite book \|last=Winner \|first=Michael \|url=https://books.google.com/books?id=0rC_CAAAQBAJ&q=%22I%27ll+Never+Forget+What%27s%27isname%22&pg=PT129 \|title=Michael Winner: Winner Takes All: A Life of Sorts \|date=2013 \|publisher=Pavilion Books \|isbn=978-1-909396-21-0}}</ref> Winner, in his audio commentary, said he considered the scene to show masturbation. The [[Catholic League (U.S.)\|Catholic League]] inaccurately described it as "[[fellatio]]". [[Universal Studios\|Universal]] distributed the film through Regional Film Distributors, a subsidiary that was not a member of the MPAA. Along with a similar scene in ''[[Charlie Bubbles]]'' (1967), this helped to bring about the end of the [[Production Code]] in the U.S. and its replacement with a [[MPAA film rating system\|ratings system]].

	The film has been incorrectly named as the first mainstream film to propose the use in the dialogue of "fuck". In fact, the BBFC certified the film after demanding the removal, or at least obscuring, of the word fucking (via the sound of a car horn) in June 1967, three months later than ''[[Ulysses (1967 film)\|Ulysses]]'' (1967), which suffered heavier cuts. The error seems to have arisen because of a longstanding lack of easily obtainable film release date information.		The film has been incorrectly named as the first mainstream film to propose the use in the dialogue of "fuck". In fact, the BBFC certified the film after demanding the removal, or at least obscuring, of the word fucking (via the sound of a car horn) in June 1967, three months later than ''[[Ulysses (1967 film)\|Ulysses]]'' (1967), which suffered heavier cuts. The error seems to have arisen because of a longstanding lack of easily obtainable film release date information.

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	{{Infobox film		{{Infobox film
	\| name = I'll Never Forget What's 'Isname		\| name = I'll Never Forget What's 'Isname
	\| image = I'll Never Forget What's'isname film Theatrical release_poster (1967).~~png~~		\| image = I'll Never Forget What's'isname film Theatrical release_poster (1967).jpg
	\| caption = Theatrical release poster		\| caption = Theatrical release poster
	\| director = [[Michael Winner]]		\| director = [[Michael Winner]]

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	== Controversy ==		== Controversy ==
	In the United States, the film was denied a [[MPAA]] seal of approval due to a scene between Oliver Reed and [[Carol White]] which supposedly implied [[cunnilingus]].<ref name="winner">{{cite book \|last=Winner \|first=Michael \|url=https://books.google.com/books?id=0rC_CAAAQBAJ&q=%22I%27ll+Never+Forget+What%27s%27isname%22&pg=PT129 \|title=Michael Winner: Winner Takes All: A Life of Sorts \|date=2013 \|publisher=Pavilion Books \|isbn=978-1-909396-21-0}}</ref> Winner, in his audio commentary, said he considered the scene to show masturbation. The [[Catholic League (U.S.)\|Catholic League]] inaccurately described it as "fellatio".~~{{Citation needed\|date=January 2017}}~~ [[Universal Studios\|Universal]] distributed the film through Regional Film Distributors, a subsidiary that was not a member of the MPAA. Along with a similar scene in ''[[Charlie Bubbles]]'' (1967), this helped to bring about the end of the [[Production Code]] in the U.S. and its replacement with a [[MPAA film rating system\|ratings system]].~~{{Citation needed\|date=December 2023}}~~		In the United States, the film was denied a [[MPAA]] seal of approval due to a scene between Oliver Reed and [[Carol White]] which supposedly implied [[cunnilingus]].<ref name="winner">{{cite book \|last=Winner \|first=Michael \|url=https://books.google.com/books?id=0rC_CAAAQBAJ&q=%22I%27ll+Never+Forget+What%27s%27isname%22&pg=PT129 \|title=Michael Winner: Winner Takes All: A Life of Sorts \|date=2013 \|publisher=Pavilion Books \|isbn=978-1-909396-21-0}}</ref> Winner, in his audio commentary, said he considered the scene to show masturbation. The [[Catholic League (U.S.)\|Catholic League]] inaccurately described it as "fellatio". [[Universal Studios\|Universal]] distributed the film through Regional Film Distributors, a subsidiary that was not a member of the MPAA. Along with a similar scene in ''[[Charlie Bubbles]]'' (1967), this helped to bring about the end of the [[Production Code]] in the U.S. and its replacement with a [[MPAA film rating system\|ratings system]].

	The film has been incorrectly named as the first mainstream film to propose the use in the dialogue of "fuck". In fact, the BBFC certified the film after demanding the removal, or at least obscuring, of the word fucking (via the sound of a car horn) in June 1967, three months later than ''[[Ulysses (1967 film)\|Ulysses]]'' (1967), which suffered heavier cuts. The error seems to have arisen because of a longstanding lack of easily obtainable film release date information.		The film has been incorrectly named as the first mainstream film to propose the use in the dialogue of "fuck". In fact, the BBFC certified the film after demanding the removal, or at least obscuring, of the word fucking (via the sound of a car horn) in June 1967, three months later than ''[[Ulysses (1967 film)\|Ulysses]]'' (1967), which suffered heavier cuts. The error seems to have arisen because of a longstanding lack of easily obtainable film release date information.

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	In the United States, the film was denied a [[MPAA]] seal of approval due to a scene between Oliver Reed and [[Carol White]] which supposedly implied [[cunnilingus]].<ref name="winner">{{cite book \|last=Winner \|first=Michael \|url=https://books.google.com/books?id=0rC_CAAAQBAJ&q=%22I%27ll+Never+Forget+What%27s%27isname%22&pg=PT129 \|title=Michael Winner: Winner Takes All: A Life of Sorts \|date=2013 \|publisher=Pavilion Books \|isbn=978-1-909396-21-0}}</ref> Winner, in his audio commentary, said he considered the scene to show masturbation. The [[Catholic League (U.S.)\|Catholic League]] inaccurately described it as "fellatio".{{Citation needed\|date=January 2017}} [[Universal Studios\|Universal]] distributed the film through Regional Film Distributors, a subsidiary that was not a member of the MPAA. Along with a similar scene in ''[[Charlie Bubbles]]'' (1967), this helped to bring about the end of the [[Production Code]] in the U.S. and its replacement with a [[MPAA film rating system\|ratings system]].{{Citation needed\|date=December 2023}}		In the United States, the film was denied a [[MPAA]] seal of approval due to a scene between Oliver Reed and [[Carol White]] which supposedly implied [[cunnilingus]].<ref name="winner">{{cite book \|last=Winner \|first=Michael \|url=https://books.google.com/books?id=0rC_CAAAQBAJ&q=%22I%27ll+Never+Forget+What%27s%27isname%22&pg=PT129 \|title=Michael Winner: Winner Takes All: A Life of Sorts \|date=2013 \|publisher=Pavilion Books \|isbn=978-1-909396-21-0}}</ref> Winner, in his audio commentary, said he considered the scene to show masturbation. The [[Catholic League (U.S.)\|Catholic League]] inaccurately described it as "fellatio".{{Citation needed\|date=January 2017}} [[Universal Studios\|Universal]] distributed the film through Regional Film Distributors, a subsidiary that was not a member of the MPAA. Along with a similar scene in ''[[Charlie Bubbles]]'' (1967), this helped to bring about the end of the [[Production Code]] in the U.S. and its replacement with a [[MPAA film rating system\|ratings system]].{{Citation needed\|date=December 2023}}

	The film has been incorrectly named as the first mainstream film to propose the use in the dialogue of "fuck". In fact, the BBFC certified the film after demanding the removal, or at least obscuring, of the word fucking (via the sound of a car horn) in June 1967, three months later than ''[[Ulysses (1967 film)\|Ulysses]]'' (1967), which suffered heavier cuts. The error seems to have arisen because of a longstanding lack of easily obtainable film release date information.~~{{Citation needed\|date=December 2023}}~~		The film has been incorrectly named as the first mainstream film to propose the use in the dialogue of "fuck". In fact, the BBFC certified the film after demanding the removal, or at least obscuring, of the word fucking (via the sound of a car horn) in June 1967, three months later than ''[[Ulysses (1967 film)\|Ulysses]]'' (1967), which suffered heavier cuts. The error seems to have arisen because of a longstanding lack of easily obtainable film release date information.

	== References ==		== References ==

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	~~{{Short description\|1967 British film by Michael Winner}}~~
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	{{Infobox film		{{Infobox film
	\| name = I'll Never Forget What's 'Isname		\| name = I'll Never Forget What's 'Isname
	\| image = ~~File:~~I'~~ll_Never_Forget_What~~'s'~~isname_film_Theatrical_release_poster_~~(1967).png		\| image = I'll Never Forget What's'isname film Theatrical release_poster (1967).png
	\| caption = Theatrical release poster		\| caption = Theatrical release poster
	\| director = [[Michael Winner]]		\| director = [[Michael Winner]]
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	* {{AllMovie title\|96141\|I'll Never Forget What's 'Isname}}		* {{AllMovie title\|96141\|I'll Never Forget What's 'Isname}}
	* [https://www.reelstreets.com/films/ill-never-forget-whats-isname/ ''I'll Never Forget What's'isname''] then-and-now location photographs at [https://www.reelstreets.com/ ReelStreets]		* [https://www.reelstreets.com/films/ill-never-forget-whats-isname/ ''I'll Never Forget What's'isname''] then-and-now location photographs at [https://www.reelstreets.com/ ReelStreets]

	~~{{Michael Winner}}~~

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{{Short description|1967 British film by Michael Winner}}
{{more citations needed|date=July 2019}}
{{use British English|date=July 2019}}
{{Use dmy dates|date=April 2020}}
{{Infobox film
| name = I'll Never Forget What's 'Isname
| image = File:I'll_Never_Forget_What's'isname_film_Theatrical_release_poster_(1967).png
| caption = Theatrical release poster
| director = [[Michael Winner]]
| producer = Michael Winner
| writer = Peter Draper
| starring = [[Orson Welles]] [[Oliver Reed]] [[Carol White]] [[Harry Andrews]] [[Michael Hordern]] [[Lyn Ashley]] [[Frank Finlay]]
| music = [[Francis Lai]]<ref name="cashbox29unse_36" />
| cinematography = [[Otto Heller]]
| editing = [[Bernard Gribble]]
| studio = [[Universal Pictures]] Scimitar Productions
| distributor = [[The Rank Organisation|Rank Film Distributors]]
| released = {{Film date|df=y|1967|12|18|London}}{{film date|1968|4|18|NYC}}
| runtime = 99 minutes
| country = United Kingdom
| language = English
}}
'''''I'll Never Forget What's 'Isname''''', also known as '''''The Takers''''', is a 1967 British [[comedy-drama]] film directed and produced by [[Michael Winner]]. It stars [[Oliver Reed]] and [[Orson Welles]].<ref name="BFIsearch">{{Cite web |title=I'll Never Forget What's'isname |url=https://collections-search.bfi.org.uk/web/Details/ChoiceFilmWorks/150038765 |access-date=31 December 2023 |website=British Film Institute Collections Search}}</ref> The film deals with creativity and [[commercialism]].

==Plot==
The opening credits run as a man carries a large axe through the streets of London. He then enters an office and destroys a desk with the axe. The man, Quint works for Dallafield Advertising alongside Lute. Quint has a string of affairs with younger women despite being married. He begins to recall his torturous school days, and these memories entwine with the present.

Quint attempts to get back at his boss Jonathan Lute by making a negative commercial reusing themes from earlier in the film, including Lute saying "The number one product of all human endeavor is waste... waste." The commercial, advertising a [[Super 8 film camera|Super-8 camera]], talks about capturing events while you still can before everything is destroyed and discarded. It ends with Quint operating a [[car crusher]] and destroying numerous cameras. The commercial is hailed as a masterpiece, and wins an award, but Quint hurls the award into the [[River Thames]], and escapes into [[Swinging London]].

== Cast ==
{{castlist|
* [[Orson Welles]] as Jonathan Lute
* [[Oliver Reed]] as Andrew Quint
* [[Carol White]] as Georgina Elben
* [[Harry Andrews]] as Gerald Sater, Quint's old teacher
* [[Michael Hordern]] as headmaster
* [[Wendy Craig]] as Louise Quint
* [[Norman Rodway]] as Nicholas
* [[Marianne Faithfull]] as Josie
* [[Frank Finlay]] as school chaplain
* [[Ann Lynn]] as Carla
* [[Harvey Hall (actor)|Harvey Hall]] as Charles Maccabee
* [[Lyn Ashley]] as Susannah
* [[Edward Fox (actor)|Edward Fox]] as Walter
* [[Mark Burns (actor)|Mark Burns]] as Michael Cornwall
* [[Mark Eden]] as Kelloway
* [[Stuart Cooper]] as Lewis Force
* [[Roland Curram]] as Eldrich
* [[Peter Graves]] as Bankman
* [[Bessie Love]] as American tourist (uncredited)
* [[Anthony Sharp]] as Mr. Hamper Down (uncredited)
* [[Julian Holloway]] as young man in disco (uncredited)
* [[Nicky Henson]] as young man in disco (uncredited)
}}

== Soundtrack ==
The soundtrack by [[Francis Lai]] was released on LP by [[Decca Records]].<ref name="cashbox29unse_36">{{cite magazine|url=https://archive.org/details/cashbox29unse_36/page/n51?q=%22I%27ll+Never+Forget+What%27s+%27Isname%22|title=Decca Issues Varied Spring LPs|page=54|magazine=Cash Box|date=20 April 1968}}</ref>

== Critical reception ==
''[[The Monthly Film Bulletin]]'' wrote: "This tragi-comedy is bursting with brightness and ideas, which are on the whole too confused to add up to very much. In its particular brand of cynicism one senses, perhaps mistakenly, the influence of [[John Schlesinger|Schlesinger]] – the same cold eye for human frailty, and the same identification of old school tie sentiments with the worst in human hypocrisy and degradation. ... Intermittently the film both pleases and amuses, particularly when Orson Welles, as the advertising tycoon, makes one of his brief appearances with a remark like "What's the going price on integrity this week?". Oliver Reed makes a credible bounder of Quint, and Wendy Craig gives a moving performance as his neglected wife. Carol White is vivacious as the tragic Georgina, and Otto Heller's Technicolor photography gives the subject a distinction that probably goes beyond its deserts."<ref>{{Cite journal |date=1 January 1968 |title=I'll Never Forget What's'isname |url=https://www.proquest.com/docview/1305827052/3F02A5E8607341C8PQ/1 |journal=[[The Monthly Film Bulletin]] |volume=35 |issue=408 |pages=5 |via=ProQuest}}</ref>

[[Richard Schickel]] wrote in ''[[Life (magazine)|Life]]'' magazine: "The people responsible for this movie have taken a big chance, deliberately blowing their cool in the hope that they can overpower ours. For me the gamble worked."<ref>{{cite magazine |last=Schickel |first=Richard |date=17 May 1968 |title=A Bitter No-Exit from Success |url=https://books.google.com/books?id=BVUEAAAAMBAJ&q=I%27ll+Never+Forget+What%27s%27isname&pg=PA12 |magazine=Life |page=12 |access-date=31 December 2023}}</ref>

The [[The Kentucky Kernel|''Kentucky Kernel'']] wrote: "The movie, as a whole, came off as a pessimistic reiteration of the existing war between traditions and society, and individuality and the arts. It sparked here and there and was just about to catch fire when something woul inevitably happen to drag it back into the groove it had started for itself."<ref>{{cite news |last=Rexroat |first=Gary |date=14 October 1958 |title=Movie Depicts Society Vs. Arts |newspaper=The Kentucky Kernel |url=https://archive.org/details/xt7msb3wwp24/page/n1}}</ref>

[[Leonard Maltin]]'s ''2008 Movie Guide'' described the film as an "Excellent comedy drama".<ref>{{cite book |last=Maltin |first=Leonard |url=https://archive.org/details/leonardmaltins2000leon |title=Leonard Maltin's 2008 Movie Guide |year=2007 |isbn=978-0-451-22186-5 |page=[https://archive.org/details/leonardmaltins2000leon/page/655 655] |url-access=registration}}</ref>

''[[VideoHound's Golden Movie Retriever]]'' 2007 wrote: "To some tastes, this overwrought and long-unseen comedy from the swinging '60s will be completely dated with characters whose mindsets are totally alien."<ref>{{cite book|url=https://archive.org/details/videohoundsgolde2006crad|url-access=registration|page=[https://archive.org/details/videohoundsgolde2006crad/page/430 430]|title=VideoHound's Golden Movie Retriever 2007|year=2006|editor-last=Craddock|editor-first=Jim|isbn=978-0-7876-8980-3}}</ref>

[[Leslie Halliwell]] said: "Vivid yet muddled tragi-comedy of the sixties, with splashes of sex and violence in trendy settings, a hero one really doesn't believe in, and a title which seems to have no meaning whatsoever."<ref>{{Cite book |last=Halliwell |first=Leslie |title=Halliwell's Film Guide |publisher=Paladin |year=1989 |isbn=0586088946 |edition=7th |location=London |pages=505}}</ref>

== Controversy ==
In the United States, the film was denied a [[MPAA]] seal of approval due to a scene between Oliver Reed and [[Carol White]] which supposedly implied [[cunnilingus]].<ref name="winner">{{cite book |last=Winner |first=Michael |url=https://books.google.com/books?id=0rC_CAAAQBAJ&q=%22I%27ll+Never+Forget+What%27s%27isname%22&pg=PT129 |title=Michael Winner: Winner Takes All: A Life of Sorts |date=2013 |publisher=Pavilion Books |isbn=978-1-909396-21-0}}</ref> Winner, in his audio commentary, said he considered the scene to show masturbation. The [[Catholic League (U.S.)|Catholic League]] inaccurately described it as "fellatio".{{Citation needed|date=January 2017}} [[Universal Studios|Universal]] distributed the film through Regional Film Distributors, a subsidiary that was not a member of the MPAA. Along with a similar scene in ''[[Charlie Bubbles]]'' (1967), this helped to bring about the end of the [[Production Code]] in the U.S. and its replacement with a [[MPAA film rating system|ratings system]].{{Citation needed|date=December 2023}}

The film has been incorrectly named as the first mainstream film to propose the use in the dialogue of "fuck". In fact, the BBFC certified the film after demanding the removal, or at least obscuring, of the word fucking (via the sound of a car horn) in June 1967, three months later than ''[[Ulysses (1967 film)|Ulysses]]'' (1967), which suffered heavier cuts. The error seems to have arisen because of a longstanding lack of easily obtainable film release date information.{{Citation needed|date=December 2023}}

== References ==
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== External links ==
* {{IMDb title|0061801|I'll Never Forget What's'isname}}
* {{AllMovie title|96141|I'll Never Forget What's 'Isname}}
* [https://www.reelstreets.com/films/ill-never-forget-whats-isname/ ''I'll Never Forget What's'isname''] then-and-now location photographs at [https://www.reelstreets.com/ ReelStreets]

{{Michael Winner}}

[[Category:1967 films]]
[[Category:1967 comedy films]]
[[Category:British comedy films]]
[[Category:British satirical films]]
[[Category:1960s English-language films]]
[[Category:Films about advertising]]
[[Category:Films directed by Michael Winner]]
[[Category:Films set in London]]
[[Category:Films scored by Francis Lai]]
[[Category:Films produced by Michael Winner]]
[[Category:Films about adultery]]
[[Category:1960s British films]]